Comments on: CHICAGO SCHOOL OFFICIALS ALTER CHARTER SCHOOL TEST DATA https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/ A place to discuss a better school system for all Chicagoans Tue, 09 May 2017 10:44:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Drop Charter Reform Strategy: Chicago’s Public School Students Outlearn Students from Charters – Troy LaRaviere's blog https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-1499 Mon, 09 May 2016 20:18:37 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-1499 […] long after this article was published CPS officials in the “Office of Accountability” altered Charter school test score data.  I exposed this on my blog and it was later verified by the Sun-Times. Their tampering had the […]

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By: The Chicago School – Online used laptops guide https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-1365 Wed, 20 Apr 2016 17:11:19 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-1365 […] schools on one standardized test, then his own research that charters were faking test […]

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By: ISBE’s Ungodly Stand Against Illinois’ Children | Troy LaRaviere‘s blog https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:22:25 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-104 […] CPS manipulated the test score data of those same charter schools, ISBE issues not threats and took no […]

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By: Ed News, Tuesday, December 16, 2014 Edition | tigersteach https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:40:14 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-16 […] speech, before the City Club of Cleveland, in which she made them.   Did Chicago school officials alter test data to make it appear that charters in that city did better than their public school counterparts?  […]

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By: LaRaviere: Chicago Officials Doctor Charter Scores | Diane Ravitch's blog https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:01:04 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-15 […] LaRaviere, head of the Chicago Principals’ Association, writes that school officials adjusted the scores of Chicago charter schools to make it appear that they […]

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By: Milton Rowlison https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:09:37 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-14 Shades of New Orleans. The charter school movement is BS, as is much, if not all of the of the high stakes testing fiasco. In my opinion all of this has never been about kids. It is all about adults and politics pure and simple.

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By: sparkyourart https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-13 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:18:16 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-13 That picture of BBB with Rham lurking in the background, speaks volumes!

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By: Momof3 https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:25:24 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-12 FYI dr Elizabeth purvis will be at the school Tuesday at 8 for “coffee hour” to answer any questions about the school, the info you shared was not mentioned to any of us so I’m guessing not many will attend.

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By: Momof3 https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:14:48 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-11 My son attends cics Irving park and it is difficult to say if the school is doing its job or not. this is the only school he has attended so far. I can say it’s not what I expected. We were told that since they began common core the students test results would drop. But his did not. He has told me he doesn’t really do much in class besides take some notes which I never see, they only do worksheet homework and reading logs. Oh yes and their science fair project which they are basically walked through step by step. Spanish is learned now thru the Rosetta Stone probably because for the last 6 years he has been there he still doesn’t speak Spanish. The teachers are nice but I don’t see that much effort to challenge these students. Do you know they push us to have the students use IxL and myOn almost daily, it’s homework. But don’t think that it’s only happening at charter school, my daughters public school Norwood also pushes IxL and says “it is in line with their ciriculum”. Overall I don’t think a charter school or public school student is learning as much as they should. It is if the teachers are not allowed to teach, they are being held back and in turn holding back our kids. The only solution to the learning gap for us was to enroll him in a tutoring program and he is doing better but he asked why are we giving more homework than school? All I could say was because I care. I wish we could compare my sixth grader to a public school sixth grader, I want to see the difference.

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By: Daniel https://troylaraviere.net/2014/12/10/cps-officials-alter-charter-school-test-data/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 23:23:38 +0000 http://troylaraviere.net/?p=32#comment-10 A few comments.

First, as to the adjustment based on test date, I don’t think you correct in assuming that the fall scores are uniformly lower than for the preceding spring. E.g., the 50th percentile math score for K in the spring is 159 and the 50th percentile for 1st in the fall is 163. There are also certainly examples where the RIT score decreases from spring to fall. It varies by subject, grade and percentile (and does not vary in the straightforward way I would have expected). Just eyeballing things I think it’s largely a wash and wouldn’t be the source of major changes. So I wouldn’t make much of it.

Second, depending on how the growth expectations were generated, it could be appropriate to make an adjustment. Using your “John” example, a spring score of 203 would generate a certain distribution for John’s growth. If John actually scored 200 from a fall test (in your hypothetical), then it would be wrong to treat that 200 as a spring score and generate a growth distribution from it. I don’t know that that’s how the growth distributions were generated but it’s plausible. I think you could do this fairly reliably as you have a mapping by grade and subject of percentiles from fall back to spring. And it would not have the bias in the direction you claim because you assumption that scores generally decline from spring to fall is incorrect. But as I said, the spring to fall changes are I think largely a wash (though I could be proven wrong with a more careful assessment), so this discussion is largely academic.

Third, I am at the moment agnostic on whether CPS did something improper and/or unreliable in adjusting for different versions of the test. If you had reliable nationally normed percentiles for both versions, it seems to me not unreasonable to map one onto the other. E.g., if you had a student scoring at the 50th percentile in reading on the IL state version, you could look up what the 50th percentile was for reading on the CC version (adjusting as needed for the spring-fall issue), then get a growth expectation from that score and compare to the students actual performance on the CC version the subsequent spring. I am not saying this rough approach is necessarily exactly right, but something along these lines should be considered. If the IL version is indeed “easier” as claimed in the comments, then it would be legitimate to think about an adjustment. There may be further considerations to be assessed but to dismiss an adjustment out of hand is not warranted.

I therefore think your conclusion that the scores should not have been adjusted (you use the more pejorative “altered”) is likely wrong or, at a minimum, premature. There can be legitimate reasons to adjust scores. I have suggested some above. I do agree with you that CPS has to date been lacking in transparency and I applaud your efforts to push them in this regard.

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